Specifying a rotating boundary condition

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Chase Cox

Chase Cox

January 17, 2013 8:31pm UTC

Specifying a rotating boundary condition

I would like to simulate a rotating wall condition.

For simplicity, imagine a square box. On the top surface of that box there is a circle. Inside of the box is a viscous fluid. I would like to impose a rotational velocity on said circle and observed the effect on the fluid inside the box.

I am defining the velocity as follows:

Ux = -(sqrt(x^2+y^2))*omega*sin(omega*t)*rect1(t[1/s])
Uy = (sqrt(x^2+y^2))*omega*cos(omega*t)*rect1(t[1/s])
Uz = 0

where omega is angular velocity.

I then apply this velocity to the circular boundary on top of the box.

I am trying to use a moving wall in my simulation but this does not seem to work. When I check my results there is no motion anywhere in the fluid or along the boundary.

Any thoughts on what I might be doing wrong?

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Ivar Kjelberg

Ivar Kjelberg

January 17, 2013 8:37pm UTC in response to Chase Cox

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

Hi

there must be something with your formula, have you tried to plot the velocity vector your get ? That often helps to check you got the cylindrical projection correctly set-up

On the other hand, you can define a local cylindrical coordinate system, and refer to the radius as sys2.r etc (it's sys2. or 3. or ... depending on how many coordinate systems you define)

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Good luck
Ivar

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Chase Cox

Chase Cox

January 17, 2013 8:45pm UTC in response to Ivar Kjelberg

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

I have two physics modules in my simulation; Heat Transfer (the circle imparts heat into the system) and Non-Isothermal flow (the fluid is non-Newtonian) and has a dynamic viscosity (I am using the carreau model). The only thing that I can see being updated from the nitf is kinematic viscosity. I am fairly certain that my velocity projection is accurate.

Does that shed any light on things?

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Ivar Kjelberg

Ivar Kjelberg

January 18, 2013 6:50am UTC in response to Chase Cox

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

Hi

my only advice is : use the postprocessing to analyse your initial conditions (plot rotation vectors , different values and check how they look w.r.t. the expected results. Then do the same after solving (or after some solving) using the "plot while solving all solver steps" to check that it evolves in an understandable way

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Good luck
Ivar

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Amir Fadel

Amir Fadel

January 18, 2013 7:25am UTC in response to Chase Cox

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

Hi,

Comsol will not find any motion unless you have inlet and outlet or you are using either FSI or rotating machinery interface or you are coupling equations of motion with boundary conditions via mathematics interface.

Cheers

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Ivar Kjelberg

Ivar Kjelberg

January 18, 2013 7:46am UTC in response to Amir Fadel

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

Hi

I would say, yes you can, with a sliding wall
my rectangle case is not converging to the default value, but the result is still OK, the concentric circle is OK

Files are 4.3a (if I manage to attach the files, ... now it works ;)

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Ivar

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Chase Cox

Chase Cox

January 18, 2013 2:58pm UTC in response to Ivar Kjelberg

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

Ivar,

Thank you so much for your help with this. Unfortunately, I am not able to open the files you posted.

I define the rotating boundary as specified. Everywhere else I have set as no-slip.

Are there any other boundary conditions required for the NITF? I am still not observing any rotation.

Thanks again.

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Ivar Kjelberg

Ivar Kjelberg

January 18, 2013 3:04pm UTC in response to Chase Cox

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

Hi

here is a screen view, very simple set-up (oops have a Opera <-> Java update issue cannot upload from here anymore, checking with IE)

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Good luck
Ivar

Attachments:   CaptureRotWall.JPG  

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Chase Cox

Chase Cox

January 18, 2013 3:42pm UTC in response to Ivar Kjelberg

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

Ivar,

I don't think I explained my problem well enough. I have included a simplified version of the model if you'd like to take a closer look.

Thanks again.

edit:

I got it to work.

Thanks for your help!

Attachments:   example.mph  

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Ivar Kjelberg

Ivar Kjelberg

January 28, 2013 7:55pm UTC in response to Chase Cox

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

Hi

just had some minutes to take a closer look, My main question: why do you add HT and NITF as the latter contains all HT anyhow, no reason for doubling up, and now you need to equate the two T that represents the same dependent variable ?

And for the cylindrical coordinates, add a Definition cylindrical coordinate system, then you can refer to the components sys2.r etc, instead of the full equations, unfortunately COMSOL has not foreseen that you add your own coordinates system to define the mowing wall, sad, it would be so much easier ;)

And I would avoid the variable name omega, as it's used by COMSOL for frequency domain and other solvers, use rather some "omega_" or "my_omega"

I cannot get any arrow plot to show up, anyhow you must ensure that t>0.2 to avoid the rect is sending all velocities to =0

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Good luck
Ivar

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Chase Cox

Chase Cox

January 28, 2013 8:03pm UTC in response to Ivar Kjelberg

Re: Specifying a rotating boundary condition

Thank you Ivar.

I have re-worked my model to use a 2-D axis symmetric geometry. It is working well now. Thanks for the help.

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