Adding artificial diffusion/stabilization to PDE

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Rui  Silva

Rui Silva

October 2, 2012 2:02am UTC

Adding artificial diffusion/stabilization to PDE

Hi folks,

can anyone point me to an example or model in the library where stabilization is added to a PDE.

I've seen in the forum someone saying "transport problem" example, but it was in V3.5a, and I am using 4.3
and no access to 3.5a.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers.

Rui

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Rui  Silva

Rui Silva

October 2, 2012 4:29pm UTC in response to Rui Silva

Re: Adding artificial diffusion/stabilization to PDE

Anyone?

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Olivier Louisnard

Olivier Louisnard

October 12, 2012 8:41am UTC in response to Rui Silva

Re: Adding artificial diffusion/stabilization to PDE

Dear Rui,

I understand that you are looking for some stabiilzation method for the PDE form, either coefficient, or general.
Am iI right ?

As far as I know, at least in 4.2, there is no such ready-to-use stabilization feature for these modes. You can get such
features only in "specialized modes", such as heat transfer, fluid flow or mass diffusion.

This is really too bad, because some models are really easy to program in PDE form, but cannot converge without
stabilization.

I wonder why stabilization was not implemented in PDE modes. Is it a technical lock, or a commercial one ?
If you get some information, I'm interested.

Best regards.

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Rui  Silva

Rui Silva

October 12, 2012 10:00am UTC in response to Olivier Louisnard

Re: Adding artificial diffusion/stabilization to PDE

Hello Olivier,

it's a shame, really. I think that would push COMSOL to a whole new level, in my opinion.

Maybe in the near future we can get them, however, it does not help us at the moment.

I have not used it, but after contacting the Support they pointed out two examples that use stabilization in PDE's.

The models in the library are:

- transport problem (version 3.5a);
- shock tube (4.2,4.2a,4.3);

I believe it's just Streamline Diffusion for both examples, but it's a start. No Crosswind Diffusion, though.

If you follow the literature reference in the manual and look at the examples, actually it's not that overwhelming.

Hope it helps!

Best Regards,

Rui Silva




Dear Rui,

I understand that you are looking for some stabiilzation method for the PDE form, either coefficient, or general.
Am iI right ?

As far as I know, at least in 4.2, there is no such ready-to-use stabilization feature for these modes. You can get such
features only in "specialized modes", such as heat transfer, fluid flow or mass diffusion.

This is really too bad, because some models are really easy to program in PDE form, but cannot converge without
stabilization.

I wonder why stabilization was not implemented in PDE modes. Is it a technical lock, or a commercial one ?
If you get some information, I'm interested.

Best regards.


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Ivar Kjelberg

Ivar Kjelberg

October 13, 2012 11:19am UTC in response to Rui Silva

Re: Adding artificial diffusion/stabilization to PDE

Hi

have you tried to send this demand to "support", they are active partner to talk with, OK they decide the priorities but thhey put all interesting suggestions up on the to do list, and I have noticed, one or two releases later many things are there.

Another way is to come to the annual conferences and discuss it directly with the program managers and the COMSOl developpers

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Good luck
Ivar

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Rui  Silva

Rui Silva

October 15, 2012 1:22pm UTC in response to Ivar Kjelberg

Re: Adding artificial diffusion/stabilization to PDE

Hello Ivar,

that's a very good suggestion.

I just use the normal support contact to do this suggestion?
It is going to be very difficult in the near future to attend a COMSOL conference, although i'd love to.

Best Regards,

Rui Silva

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